drowzysinceday:

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drowzysinceday:

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lutheranturtleowl:

NO! STOP THIS!
“Homophobia” is a useful, PRECISE word and it is DISTINCT from “heterosexism.” Heterosexism is to homophobia as sexism is to misogyny. Deeply related but not quite interchangable. Homophobia and misogyny are similar in that they have a connotation of visceral hatred and aversion, disgust and repulsion. Sexism is $15 for a woman to get a haircut a man could get for $10. Misogyny is the rape and abuse of women as rampant mainstream entertainment. Heterosexism is the assumption that every teen girl will want a boyfriend. Homophobia is not wanting a lesbian teaching your kid’s class in school.
The word homophobia IS NOT ABLEIST. “Phobia” is derived from the Greek word for fear or AVERSION and is used in some psychiatric terms (agoraphobia for instance) but THAT IS NOT ALL IT IS USED FOR and it is NOT exclusively a psychiatric term! For instance, one of the well known symptoms of rabies is hydrophobia—which is not a fear of water, psychiatrically, but a phyiscal AVERSION to drinking caused by the inflammation induced by the disease.
Homophobia has NEVER meant “fear of gays” in the sense that arachnaphobia is a fear of spiders. It is using the root -phobia in the sense of AVERSION, as in the deep physical disgust many homophobes (especially men) express and which leads to widespread social injustices and discrimination against gays and lesbians.
PLEASE STOP perpetuating the myth that “homophobia” is an offensive word, or that “heterosexism” is a more “PC” alternative with the same meaning. It is a hideous, harmful diversion.

While uh..”rapeculturerealities” has a point, I agree. I can’t stand the posts saying ‘you’re not scared, you’re an asshole’ as a reason to stop using the word “homophobic”.(I am seriously annoyed with that quote and am sick of seeing it) Yes, they’re also pushing heteronormative supremacy, but that is no reason to not call them a homophobe. That’s just something else to add on top of all the other horrible crap.
besides, they hate that word. It’s gotten as bad as calling someone a pedophile. If they’re going to take away my rights and safety, the least I can do is make them uncomfortable by calling them a homophobe. I am not about to be PC.

If you’re not about being politically correct what’s the point in gay rights. Homophobic people don’t care if you call them homophobic because they don’t give a fuck. So if you’re going to try to be derogatory you might as well be derogatory and right surely.

Actually, a lot of the people I have seen who are called “homophobic” hate that word. They see it as bad as being called a pedophile. The name has gained a strong negative connotation and no one wants to be one or called one(doesn’t stop them from being one, aka denial, but they still hate it)
And what’s the point? The point is getting rights, not being ‘politically correct’. PC only has to do with words. How we talk. It makes people say “happy holidays” rather than “merry Christmas”. Not being PC and saying “merry Christmas” doesn’t not change your right to celebrate whatever holiday you want, where as not being PC about gay rights doesn’t change my rights. There’s a serious difference. If you don’t see it, you might want to look back into what the fight is about.
the only thing in the fight that is about PC is the word “gay” and it not being used as a synonym for shitty.(pretty much the same as the N word around the civil rights movement)
But even so, being PC or not being PC has nothing to do with the rights we’re fighting for.

PC is not just words, its mentality. This is why so many people get it wrong. By demonstrating ignorance of political issues surrounding a problem you are being politically incorrect. It not just words, you’re over simplifying a very broad term.
And like i said people who are genuinely homophobic won’t care. People who are openly anti gay are not going to care that you called them antigay. The people you are refering to probably arent homophobic, or at least don’t meant to be.
And i don’t know anyone who would rather be homophobic then a paedophile. That’s ridiculous.
Use your head

Again, I’ve known people who are “genuinely homophobic” and they DO care. Do you think someone who is “genuinely” a pedophile doesn’t care if they’re called a pedophile? Hint, they do. (and I didn’t say anyone would “rather” be ether of them. I said the reaction to being called ether is the same. Show me in one post where I said someone would “rather” be a pedophile than a homophobe.)
There is no difference between ‘not meaning to be’ and actually being. Regardless of intent, if you’re against the LGBT you’re a homophobe. They will tell you they prefer the term “anti-gay” or simply “pro-traditional marriage/rights”/”pro-natural law/nature” but when the big scary H word pops out, now you’re being offensive, calling names, ext. I don’t know what kind you’ve met, but just cause they’re different than the one’s I’ve met doesn’t equal them not being ‘true’ homophobes. That’s like saying that someone who is ___ religion is different than someone else also of that religion, so obviously one if them isn’t a ‘true’ ___. Really, why don’t you use your head? Or maybe your eyes. Then maybe you wouldn’t twist what I’ve said around into something I didn’t.
Though I have to wonder about your point. Are you trying to say that if I, and others aren’t polite to homophobes that there’s no point in fighting for equal rights? Come on dude that doesn’t even make sense.

Someone who rapes children is not as bad as someone who hates gay people. Lets make that abundantly clear before we go on. Fine you didnt say someone would rather be one or the other but you implied they were on the same level. They aren’t, by any stretch of the imagination. I mean we can have fun arguing or whatever but no okay lets be real for a second.
And there is a difference. Somebody who calls people fags, but doesn’t mean to be homophobic, will change their behaviour and language. Somebody who calls people fags, but doesn’t give a fuck, will continue to not give a fuck ignorant of all the information or protest they receive/generate. So again use your head. Maybe things are black and white like that in the US but the rest of the world has a grey-area.
And no as i said earlier the point is be right about what you’re calling these people who are derogatory towards gay people. Your cause isn’t more righteous because you incorrectly use the term homophobic over the term heterosexist. 

*EDIT* no. Just no. “Someone who rapes children is not as bad as someone who hates gay people.” no. this conversation is done.
I just said a person’s reaction to being CALLED ether is usually the same. The connotation that comes with ether of them is a bad thing in society’s eyes, and anyone who is one is seen as bad, and therefor to be called one is bad. Never did I ever say anything about how good or bad being ether are, or how one is better than the other. Again, read what I actually said. If I’m gonna get slammed, be it for something I said, now what you think I said.(I also never implied it. I stated that being CALLED them gets the same reaction. That’s it. there is nothing to be implied)
That doesn’t make someone any less of a homophobe. Just cause you can change your mind doesn’t mean anything. My family was VERY homophobic for years until my uncle came out. They ALL believed that it was a choice and that it was how the child was raised. My uncle was raised just like everyone else, and he was/is still gay. It wasn’t until then that everyone changed their mind. Doesn’t mean they weren’t ‘genuinely’ homophobic before.
Not to mention, anyone who doesn’t understand the terms, how they’re used ext isn’t a homophobe, nor are the people we’re referring to.(or the original post. I know a few people who used to use such words/phrases and even old racist phrases without knowing. Doesn’t make them hetersexists, homophobes, white-supremacists, or anything of the sort. These sorts of people aren’t what this post nor any of mine are referring to at all)
I don’t see what’s different. I never said it made anything more righteous. But ya know what? I don’t care. They’re not “correct” in calling me a “faggot” ether, because a “faggot” is a bundle used to light people on fire when being burned at the stake. If they’re going to call me something so horrible, so am I. Not to mention, if they, as you stated, “change their behaviour and language” because they ‘didn’t mean to be’ I really doubt they’re actually any of the words stated in this post, other than misinformed. and I still don’t give a crap. If they’re going to call me names, I’m going to call them names. I don’t care what the names are, and if the name doesn’t fit, once they change their attitude then they won’t get called it again.
As I said, I don’t see your point. And if you’re going to continue to put words in my mouth, this conversation is done.

drowzysinceday:

ravensflame:

drowzysinceday:

ravensflame:

drowzysinceday:

ravensflame:

lutheranturtleowl:

NO! STOP THIS!

“Homophobia” is a useful, PRECISE word and it is DISTINCT from “heterosexism.” Heterosexism is to homophobia as sexism is to misogyny. Deeply related but not quite interchangable. Homophobia and misogyny are similar in that they have a connotation of visceral hatred and aversion, disgust and repulsion. Sexism is $15 for a woman to get a haircut a man could get for $10. Misogyny is the rape and abuse of women as rampant mainstream entertainment. Heterosexism is the assumption that every teen girl will want a boyfriend. Homophobia is not wanting a lesbian teaching your kid’s class in school.

The word homophobia IS NOT ABLEIST. “Phobia” is derived from the Greek word for fear or AVERSION and is used in some psychiatric terms (agoraphobia for instance) but THAT IS NOT ALL IT IS USED FOR and it is NOT exclusively a psychiatric term! For instance, one of the well known symptoms of rabies is hydrophobia—which is not a fear of water, psychiatrically, but a phyiscal AVERSION to drinking caused by the inflammation induced by the disease.

Homophobia has NEVER meant “fear of gays” in the sense that arachnaphobia is a fear of spiders. It is using the root -phobia in the sense of AVERSION, as in the deep physical disgust many homophobes (especially men) express and which leads to widespread social injustices and discrimination against gays and lesbians.

PLEASE STOP perpetuating the myth that “homophobia” is an offensive word, or that “heterosexism” is a more “PC” alternative with the same meaning. It is a hideous, harmful diversion.

While uh..”rapeculturerealities” has a point, I agree. I can’t stand the posts saying ‘you’re not scared, you’re an asshole’ as a reason to stop using the word “homophobic”.(I am seriously annoyed with that quote and am sick of seeing it) Yes, they’re also pushing heteronormative supremacy, but that is no reason to not call them a homophobe. That’s just something else to add on top of all the other horrible crap.

besides, they hate that word. It’s gotten as bad as calling someone a pedophile. If they’re going to take away my rights and safety, the least I can do is make them uncomfortable by calling them a homophobe. I am not about to be PC.

If you’re not about being politically correct what’s the point in gay rights. Homophobic people don’t care if you call them homophobic because they don’t give a fuck. So if you’re going to try to be derogatory you might as well be derogatory and right surely.

Actually, a lot of the people I have seen who are called “homophobic” hate that word. They see it as bad as being called a pedophile. The name has gained a strong negative connotation and no one wants to be one or called one(doesn’t stop them from being one, aka denial, but they still hate it)

And what’s the point? The point is getting rights, not being ‘politically correct’. PC only has to do with words. How we talk. It makes people say “happy holidays” rather than “merry Christmas”. Not being PC and saying “merry Christmas” doesn’t not change your right to celebrate whatever holiday you want, where as not being PC about gay rights doesn’t change my rights. There’s a serious difference. If you don’t see it, you might want to look back into what the fight is about.

the only thing in the fight that is about PC is the word “gay” and it not being used as a synonym for shitty.(pretty much the same as the N word around the civil rights movement)

But even so, being PC or not being PC has nothing to do with the rights we’re fighting for.

PC is not just words, its mentality. This is why so many people get it wrong. By demonstrating ignorance of political issues surrounding a problem you are being politically incorrect. It not just words, you’re over simplifying a very broad term.

And like i said people who are genuinely homophobic won’t care. People who are openly anti gay are not going to care that you called them antigay. The people you are refering to probably arent homophobic, or at least don’t meant to be.

And i don’t know anyone who would rather be homophobic then a paedophile. That’s ridiculous.

Use your head

Again, I’ve known people who are “genuinely homophobic” and they DO care. Do you think someone who is “genuinely” a pedophile doesn’t care if they’re called a pedophile? Hint, they do. (and I didn’t say anyone would “rather” be ether of them. I said the reaction to being called ether is the same. Show me in one post where I said someone would “rather” be a pedophile than a homophobe.)

There is no difference between ‘not meaning to be’ and actually being. Regardless of intent, if you’re against the LGBT you’re a homophobe. They will tell you they prefer the term “anti-gay” or simply “pro-traditional marriage/rights”/”pro-natural law/nature” but when the big scary H word pops out, now you’re being offensive, calling names, ext. I don’t know what kind you’ve met, but just cause they’re different than the one’s I’ve met doesn’t equal them not being ‘true’ homophobes. That’s like saying that someone who is ___ religion is different than someone else also of that religion, so obviously one if them isn’t a ‘true’ ___. Really, why don’t you use your head? Or maybe your eyes. Then maybe you wouldn’t twist what I’ve said around into something I didn’t.

Though I have to wonder about your point. Are you trying to say that if I, and others aren’t polite to homophobes that there’s no point in fighting for equal rights? Come on dude that doesn’t even make sense.

Someone who rapes children is not as bad as someone who hates gay people. Lets make that abundantly clear before we go on. Fine you didnt say someone would rather be one or the other but you implied they were on the same level. They aren’t, by any stretch of the imagination. I mean we can have fun arguing or whatever but no okay lets be real for a second.

And there is a difference. Somebody who calls people fags, but doesn’t mean to be homophobic, will change their behaviour and language. Somebody who calls people fags, but doesn’t give a fuck, will continue to not give a fuck ignorant of all the information or protest they receive/generate. So again use your head. Maybe things are black and white like that in the US but the rest of the world has a grey-area.

And no as i said earlier the point is be right about what you’re calling these people who are derogatory towards gay people. Your cause isn’t more righteous because you incorrectly use the term homophobic over the term heterosexist. 

*EDIT* no. Just no. “Someone who rapes children is not as bad as someone who hates gay people.” no. this conversation is done.

I just said a person’s reaction to being CALLED ether is usually the same. The connotation that comes with ether of them is a bad thing in society’s eyes, and anyone who is one is seen as bad, and therefor to be called one is bad. Never did I ever say anything about how good or bad being ether are, or how one is better than the other. Again, read what I actually said. If I’m gonna get slammed, be it for something I said, now what you think I said.(I also never implied it. I stated that being CALLED them gets the same reaction. That’s it. there is nothing to be implied)

That doesn’t make someone any less of a homophobe. Just cause you can change your mind doesn’t mean anything. My family was VERY homophobic for years until my uncle came out. They ALL believed that it was a choice and that it was how the child was raised. My uncle was raised just like everyone else, and he was/is still gay. It wasn’t until then that everyone changed their mind. Doesn’t mean they weren’t ‘genuinely’ homophobic before.

Not to mention, anyone who doesn’t understand the terms, how they’re used ext isn’t a homophobe, nor are the people we’re referring to.(or the original post. I know a few people who used to use such words/phrases and even old racist phrases without knowing. Doesn’t make them hetersexists, homophobes, white-supremacists, or anything of the sort. These sorts of people aren’t what this post nor any of mine are referring to at all)

I don’t see what’s different. I never said it made anything more righteous. But ya know what? I don’t care. They’re not “correct” in calling me a “faggot” ether, because a “faggot” is a bundle used to light people on fire when being burned at the stake. If they’re going to call me something so horrible, so am I. Not to mention, if they, as you stated, “change their behaviour and language” because they ‘didn’t mean to be’ I really doubt they’re actually any of the words stated in this post, other than misinformed. and I still don’t give a crap. If they’re going to call me names, I’m going to call them names. I don’t care what the names are, and if the name doesn’t fit, once they change their attitude then they won’t get called it again.

As I said, I don’t see your point. And if you’re going to continue to put words in my mouth, this conversation is done.

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